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borleyi and convicts
borleyi and convicts
borleyi and convicts
Copadichromis borleyi
This is my 65 gal tank
posted by: joel reynolds

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Feb 22nd, 2013
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Rob Fluharty » posted 2013/02/22 10:13 pm
Shouldn't mix Africans and Americans
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/22 10:20 pm  
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Dan Noon (m) » posted 2013/02/22 10:24 pm
i am surprised the Africans arent torn up. agree with Rob. its not about getting along, its about about water and food
Dev H. » posted 2013/02/22 10:26 pm  
It has to do with water parameters and food not so much of how they get along in your tank
Dev H. » posted 2013/02/22 10:27 pm  
Ok Dan you beat me to it
Dan Noon (m) » posted 2013/02/22 10:29 pm  
lol, great minds...
Wes St. Jean » posted 2013/02/22 10:32 pm  
I agree. bad mix of fish. Your africans are really nice. I suggest you rehome the cons or get another tank for them.
Dev H. » posted 2013/02/22 10:32 pm  
Yeah I've just learned so much from being on this site
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/22 10:36 pm  
I'm not that anal about it I guess, their all healthy and well fed in my opinion.
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/22 10:39 pm  
Why should I take them out?
Chris Walker » posted 2013/02/22 10:41 pm  
Please be objective about what these guys are saying to you. My advice is to try to learn about the hobby....its a great hobby to have if you treat the creatures you are caring for with the best care you can provide.....pays off many ways for both you and the fish in the end. Nothing stated is to be taken personal or "anal"??
Chris Walker » posted 2013/02/22 10:43 pm  
BTW..I have been keeping cichlids since 1974 and still learn new stuff all the time.
Dan Noon (m) » posted 2013/02/22 10:46 pm  
Joel, Africans require a diet that is low in protein. they are primarily vegetarian and high protein, over 40% can cause bloat which is fatal most of the time. they also require a ph of 8+. Americans require a diet that is high in protein and require water that is neutral to slightly soft, 6.8-7.2. if the conditions for them are not met, neither will grow to their potential
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/22 10:54 pm  
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Chris Walker » posted 2013/02/22 11:00 pm  
convicts are real real mean and agressive when they pair off. (not an understatement - similar to a black belt) if they do pair..the kadango is a not gonna last at all...sorry to say
Rob Fluharty » posted 2013/02/22 11:08 pm  
You'll have a lot of people that have been in this hobby for 25/30/40+ years say you shouldn't mix these fish. But hey, you know better right? "They'll be ok"
Wes St. Jean » posted 2013/02/22 11:18 pm
You can't teach someone anything if they already know everything???
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/22 11:56 pm  
The borleyi is the dominant in the tank and the fastest growing, the convicts don't harass him.
terra cotta » posted 2013/02/23 02:32 am
joel if your in utah i would like to buy that kandango from you i will give you a goldfish to put in your tank the goldfish will be fine and so will the convicts :)
bip_ 4u (m) » posted 2013/02/23 06:05 am  
Americans need their water to have a lower ph and their food needs to have a higher protien/meaty content.

Africans need their water to be at a higher ph and their diet needs to be lower protien/vegetable based .

Just because they get along now, does not mean they will always get along, and it surely doesn't mean they are thriving. We all just want what's best for the fish.
Wes St. Jean » posted 2013/02/23 06:17 am  
Save your breath Carol. Dan already said the same thing. No matter what you say, "they will be fine" ??? :(
bip_ 4u (m) » posted 2013/02/23 06:25 am  
Yeah I saw Wes. I repeated it because he kept going on about how well they get along. I wasn't sure if he really saw that that wasn't our main concerns. It's a real shame that the advice is being given (freely and out of love for the fish) to better the life of his fish and his fish keeping experience and it's just being disregarded.
Wes St. Jean » posted 2013/02/23 06:36 am  
Yep... An open mind is like a sponge for knowledge but a closed mind is like a chunk of concrete!! Sad but true and the worst part is the fish are paying for it!! GGRRR. :(
bip_ 4u (m) » posted 2013/02/23 06:42 am  
I agree, aggravates me also.
John Durning » posted 2013/02/23 07:52 am  
Well guys, at the very least, others who read this discussion may not repeat this mistake or might correct their situation, you know?
Wes St. Jean » posted 2013/02/23 11:37 am  
you are absolutely correct John. that is why I didnt delete his comments! :)
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/23 12:23 pm  
Thats why u didn't delete my comments?? The fact that u would consider deleting my clean language and not angry or insulting comments just shows how much of a busy body sad little person u are, hanging on to ur little ounce of internet power. It honestly doesnt phase me one way or the other, I wish u would delete my comments just so I can laugh at how pathetic you are.
Vince Cooper (m) » posted 2013/02/23 12:37 pm  
Joel if you will notice you joined a website called Cichlids.com . dedicated to cichlids . most of the members are wanting to keep cichlids in the best conditions . I have been on this site for about 5 yrs & been a moderator for 3 yrs. It gets very tiring to continually talk to stone walls about keeping cichlids then listening to them scream help my fish are dying , not eating , just laying around etc . sorry if people are blunt with you but you are 1 of hundreds of people that perceive only what you think you know . there are many sites on the net that will say you are doing great , feel free to join them .
Chris Walker » posted 2013/02/23 12:55 pm  
Thanks Vince.

Yep this happens at times ... I think all folks take constructive critism in different ways and I think cichlids is an example of this in this case now.

Not everyone wants to learn something.
I guess.
This should be on a human psych site now .. Ha Ha not a cichlid site....LOL
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/23 01:04 pm  
I don't have an issue with people's opinions or advice, its having that person talk about deleting my comments because I wasn't taking their advice. I wasn't cursing or being mean so if your so antsy to delete someone's comments I can give you an actual reason so that it doesnt just seem so pathetic and abusive of power on wes's part.. ?
Chris Walker » posted 2013/02/23 01:11 pm  
hey then. Cool if you gonna take constructive advice then..lets get back to the fish...(i think the reason we are here =)

What do you think...then of the advice of keeping africans with africans and New World cichlids with the their own kind also (SA and CA Cichlids)?

Are you gonna give it a shot (adjust PH and water hardness and change up foods) to see if it might make a difference with coloration and behavior?
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/23 02:10 pm  
I have 2 tanks, the jewels are to aggressive for the convicts partially because cons and j's are paired up and breeding. Also 2 borleyi that both ended up being male and one was killing the other as they started to color so I separated. Kenyi ended up in the convict tank because he was tirelessly tormenting the other fish in my 75 and demanded control over every rock and was being a fin nipper.
Vince Cooper (m) » posted 2013/02/23 02:55 pm  
yep that's what we were talking about ...
J B » posted 2013/02/23 03:13 pm  
Please listen to them They know a lot from all there experiences and breeding these wonderful fish. These people are very caring and just are trying to help. I use to think about the same as you until I meet these wonderful people on here. Ive learned on this site to trust these people more then my Lfs. I have a great Lfs they are very knowledgable BUT; when they the LFS told me it was ok to sometimes mix SA and African cichlids because they can get a lon sometimes then I didnt trust my LFS any more 100 percent. I trust these people on this site 100 percent and they have always proven me wrong on everything and I thought they just wanted to be mean at first but saw that they only care for the fish and for the enjoyment of taking care of them after I made my tank the right living conditions for my fish that I have.
J B » posted 2013/02/23 03:21 pm  
Hi everyone on the site I have one other ? I noticed that you said that south and Central Americans need soft water from 6.8-7.2 I was wondering how I can get my water at that cause my tap water is hard water its 8.2 or 8.3 Ive tried to lower it with drift wood and ph reducers or what ever they are called and it will not lower it mabye I use it wrong Can I use a special water purifier to lower the hardness of the water. I just gave up on it cause I tried and tried with differnt solutions to lower it. I really would like to correct this froblem but also was wondering if it finally would work do I lower it slowly so the fish dont become shocked.
Rob Fluharty » posted 2013/02/23 03:30 pm  
RO filter maybe.
J B » posted 2013/02/23 03:34 pm  
Thanks Rob Ill ask my Lfs if they sell any or look it up on line
Rob Fluharty » posted 2013/02/23 03:41 pm  
Im not 100% but i think i remember my dad telling me that RO filter will soften and make water neutral. He uses one for his saltwater tank
J B » posted 2013/02/23 03:51 pm  
ok Rob thanks ill look it up on the internet.
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/23 04:10 pm  
A lot of people here are more worried about tooting their own horn and spitting facts in ur face while patting themselves on the back than commenting in a friendly "if ud like my advice" kinda way. Don't get me wrong their are some cool helpful people that comment also, problem is you ALL think your that cool friendly person. Wrong!
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 04:19 pm  
The thing is Joel, they didn't delete your comments because they want people to learn. They will delete your comments if you're trying to teach people the wrong thing. You are wrong in the fish you are trying to keep in the same tank. If you don't like the comments and advice that you are being given on a website DEDICATED TO CICHLIDS you are welcome to leave. No one is forcing you to be here and certainly not holding you back from leaving and cancelling. These people clearly know more about proper fish keeping than you do. Otherwise you would not have even put these fish in the same tank in the first place. Lets say we put you in plain clothing and toss you into Antarctica because you'll "do fine". Make sense?
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/23 04:51 pm  
I wasnt on the cichlid forum asking for advice about my fish selection, I was showing pics of my fish because their cool looking and healthy. So its one thing to offer friendly advice and its another thing to berate someone as a group and acting like busy body holier than thou d**** who like jumping in and rubbing ur face in topic at hand and talk down like I'm hanging on your every word at that point. Again I'm not talking about everyone, but it goes from giving advice to calling someone a ignorant fish killer way to quick on this site.
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 05:03 pm  
If it doesn't get to you, why do you keep responding? Go find a site that doesn't care how you keep your fish. GL with that. Dont join a site that is dedicated to proper fish care if you can't be the same way.
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 05:34 pm  
I'm not acting holier than though. That person that posted that picture has all kinds of history problems that you haven't got the slightest clue about. Had you been around, you would know about it. Stay out of what you know nothing about.
Lets put it to you in human ways since you clearly do not understand FISH ways. Stick a person in a coal mine. Fine on the first day right? Fine for a few days maybe months. Over time they develope lung issues and other problems associated with the coal mines. Same thing with smokers and other things that are not meant for your body. At first you might be fine but over time you will develop issues that stunt your growth, make you perform below your natural abilities, make you look horrible, and shorten your life. That is exactly what you are doing to these fish. Get a clue. If you don't understand this, you're just as ignorant.
Vince Cooper (m) » posted 2013/02/23 05:35 pm  
To JB peat moss will lower you PH & can be found in many LFS & on the net . to Joel no name calling aloud on this site even if it's **** . I will suspend your account if it keeps up .
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 05:39 pm  
I'm not saying I know everything about fish keeping. I just know enough to keep them in the proper conditions and I am willing to be corrected by those who know more than me.
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/23 05:46 pm  
But calling people ignorant isnt rude I guess.
Vince Cooper (m) » posted 2013/02/23 05:51 pm  
Oh no it goes for everyone but it's a big difference between d*** & ignorant . so we all need to chill out .
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 05:57 pm  
When you put a 60gallon fish in a 20 gallon tank, put a SA fish in an African tank or vis versa, leave the tank substrate free without other necessary elements for this type of fish keeping, buy more fish when you can't take care of the 1 that you have properly, but don't listen to a single thing people advise that you are doing wrong because you think it's "Fine" that's ignorance.
joel reynolds » posted 2013/02/23 05:57 pm  
You guys are whiny busy bodys. You have terrible social skills if you think calling people stupid will help make them see your point and except advice from you to help the fish you say you care about. Get a life.. grow up.. learn how ignorant you are in your own ways.. learn to be humble in the hobby you enjoy so much. Then try again with a less snide personality.
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 06:00 pm  
Sorry Vince, I completely understand where you're coming from but sometimes things need to be said. For some reason people think they can just go out and get any fish they want and shove it in the tank without doing research about their water conditions and other requirements. If they want to post pictures on here, accept the criticism and correct the issue, thats great. Posting pictures of fish kept in improper conditions on a site DEDICATED to the fair and healthy treatment of these fish is like a slap in the face.
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 06:01 pm  
You should take your own advice Joel.
Vince Cooper (m) » posted 2013/02/23 06:01 pm  
seen many people like you Joel . you should take your own advice . no more chances ...
Vince Cooper (m) » posted 2013/02/23 06:08 pm  
yea Jeremiah but after 3 shops (this is the main reason I gave on fish shops is people that know more than you do after 15 minutes of experience) , 48 yrs in the hobby & my time on here it does no good most of the time to get bent out of shape about it . If people are going to learn they have to be willing to learn .
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 06:08 pm  
Again, take your own advice
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 06:16 pm  
Yep. I agree Vince. I often teach some of the people at the LFS something new. lol. There are a couple guys at my preferred LFS that really know what they are talking about. They are even willing to admit that they do not know a particular thing and they grab the other guy that knows more about it. I like that.
Jeremiah Murray » posted 2013/02/23 06:34 pm  
Food for thought. Humans also have a pH level that must be maintained. If this level varies even slightly, body functions shut down and we die.

Think about how this affects fish from a low pH stuck in a high pH or vis versa.
Chris Walker » posted 2013/02/23 08:41 pm  
wow. (sarcasm)..yep..people are just so mean because they said I was wrong with how I care for my fish...thats just so wrong that you said that to me...let me fight with everyone and cause disruption and end up making my myself look more foolish than my tank looks....yes we are all busy bodies ..me being one with 3 kids and 60 hours a week with my job with 20 tanks in my basement.
Wes St. Jean » posted 2013/03/01 08:20 pm
Like I said...You can't teach someone anything if they already know everything??? go figure eh?

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